“So I graduated high school. I guess that’s where you should start, I graduated high school and the very next day. I was on a plane for boot camp, I had a graduation party. It was kind of it was kind of cool because like we had a graduation party that had to be the weekend before because it was graduation was on whatever night it was. And then the next morning my parents had to drive me to Odessa, about 90 miles away to get on a plane to go to boot-camp. So I had no college background at all when I joined the Navy, and I knew I always wanted to go.”

“So while I was in the Navy, I took a lot of classes . . . , when you take classes in school, even if it’s a military school, you can get those translated into credits because they will allow the college accreditors to come in and evaluate the military classes and they’ll tell you what the equivalent would be in a civilian school. The problem for me is I was a crypto-tech [cryptologic technician], Which meant, I had top-secret SIOP, which is SIOP-ESI, clearance, which is one of the highest clearances. And anyway, there was no way they were going to let college accreditors in to evaluate it. So I had two full years of school before I ever got to my submarine, but it could never be accredited because, you know, it was, it was classified. But it was things like you know, boolean algebra, cryptographic theory, Fibonacci chains, things like that. But I could not get any credit for it. And in the military, this is a super intensive training. . . . From morning til night,you’re having to learn, you know? And so it’s a very highly advanced learning system, but you don’t get any college credit for anyway.”

“The First [submarine I was on] . . . was a boomer, which is the USS John C. Calhoun, you can look it up, had, had you know, intercontinental ballistic missiles and our whole job is to hide. . . . And so you’d be out for generally between a hundred and five, hundred and fifteen days. And then you come back for off-crew. During off-crew you do training and stuff during the day. Well, what I did when I would come back for off-crew is I tried to take college classes. I had just enough time to get a semester in because my off-crew is about three months long. The first credits I think that I got was in Charleston and it was at a school called Baptist College, it was close to my base and the nicer schools didn’t want me. And when I say they didn’t want me I mean it, like I actually went to College Charleston and was so excited because I wanted to enroll for classes. And I went in to talk to the admissions officer and she told me that they weren’t looking for my kind of business. It was horrible, I was crushed. I really felt bad because I felt like I was being looked down on because I was Navy.”

“So then I started applying to law schools and I was still in the Navy at this time. I mean, I graduated from UConn while I was still in the Navy, so on top of all that, I had a part-time job. I was working all day teaching students and then when I got done on the nights that I didn’t have class. I was working at Filene’s at Crystal Mall. So needless to say, I didn’t have much of a social life, because if I wasn’t in school, but it meant so much to me to be able to get my education, taken care of because I was the first person in my family to go to college.”

“I had no idea how I was going to do. I mean, I took my LSAT and I did pretty well on the LSAT. I wouldn’t say super stellar, but I did pretty good considering I hadn’t had any prep courses. You know, I didn’t have anybody to tutor me with that. I mean my training was really when I was, not on duty and not doing drills on my submarine. I’d be like, hiding in the torpedo room or somewhere quiet, you know, try to get some time to just study stuff. When I was on the [USS] John C. Calhoun, I would study in the missile compartment or in the fire control area. So I’d be between missile tubes, which will be kinda funny because you’d see signs, say that ‘DO NOT LOITER: RADIATION’ and I’m likely sitting there because it was quiet, you know. So yeah, I had a pretty unusual educational background to say the least, but anyway, so that’s what I did. I applied to 17 different [Law] schools. I got accepted to quite a few.”